Showing posts with label Firebird. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Firebird. Show all posts

Sunday, 7 July 2024

Yeti revisited

Two recent archaeological discoveries have, I think, added more support for my crazy idea from 2018: That Yeti stories could be old ancestral memories of the mixing between Modern and Denisovans humans on Tibetan plateau. I talked about this crazy idea in my post "Yeti"...

Here's the jist:

In 2010 geneticists discovered that Tibetans have several genes that help them use smaller amounts of oxygen efficiently, allowing them to deliver enough of it to their limbs while exercising at high altitude...

Most notable is a version of a gene called EPAS1, which regulates the body’s production of hemoglobin. These genes are not found in any other human population outside of Tibetan plateau...

Since this gene was discovered the scientists wandered where it came from. And then in 2014, while looking through the genes found in Denisovans DNA, they spotted EPAS1...

The mystery was solved. The "superathlete" gene, which helps Sherpas and other Tibetans breathe easily at high altitudes was inherited from Denisovans, one of the archaic human species now extinct...

But there was a problem. It was commonly accepted (at the time when I wrote this post) that Denisovans went extinct soon after they mated with the ancestors of Europeans and Asians about 40,000 years ago...

So the only time when Tibetans could have acquired EPAS1 gene is at that time. But it was also commonly accepted at the time of the discovery of that gene that the Tibetan plateau has only been inhabited by humans for around 15,000 years...

Now considering that Tibetan plateau population is the only one in the world which possesses the EPAS1 gene, it is most likely that they acquired it on the Tibetan plateau...

Which means that either Denisovans survived on the Tibetan plateau until 14,000 years ago (35,000 years longer then anywhere else in the world), or that modern humans arrived to Tibetan plateau much much earlier than originally thought...

And then in 2018, the Nwya Devu Paleolithic site was discovered, and it confirmed that human ancestors arrived on the Qinghai-Tibet Plateau at elevations approaching 5,000 meters above sea level around 30,000-40,000 years ago...

Which is what prompted me to write my Yeti article...

And this year, a newly discovered Denisovan remains in the Baishiya Karst Cave confirm that Denisovans indeed were still present on the Tibetan plateau between 48,000 to 32,000 years ago. The findings were published in Nature article "Middle and Late Pleistocene Denisovan subsistence at Baishiya Karst Cave"

So it turns out that modern humans did actually arrive to Tibet right on time to first intermix with Denisovans, acquiring the high altitude gene and then exterminate them...

Which is what Tibetan ancestral myths and the legends about Yeti might actually be talking about, as they both talk about interbreeding between humans and "hairy mountain creatures". Which would mean that these legends could be between 30,000 and 40,000 years old...

That ancestral myths and legends in isolated populations can indeed survive for a very very long time, can be seen from the legends about the Indonesian island of Flores about Ebu Gogo...

These creatures were said to sneak into human camps to steal children to try to cook and eat them. They were described as very small with broad faces, flat noses, and wide mouths...

Exactly like the now extinct hominid species labeled Homo Floresiensis, which lived on the island of Flores until humans arrived there around 50,000 years ago, and most likely exterminated them after a period of coexistence...

The memory of the coexistence of these two human species on the island of Flores survived in the ancestral myths about Ebu Gogo...Again among the isolated (this time island) population...

I already talked about another isolated population which also preserved ancient memories as ancestral myths over similarly ridiculous time periods in my post "Dreamtime" about Aboriginal dreamtime stories...

Some Australian Aboriginal "dreamtime" stories, passed orally from generation to generation, could actually be over 40,000 years ago...

This post was from 2016. Again, most people just shook their heads and said that no story can survive that long...

But this year's discovery of a 12,000 years old ritual burial in Australia, which was performed in exactly the same way local Aboriginal people still buried their dead in the 19th century, confirms that rituals can survive unchanged for 12,000 years. 

Now rituals are practical manifestations of beliefs, myths, which means that this is a proof that the ancestral myths survived unchanged in this isolated population for at least 12,000 years...

I already wrote that belief systems, of which rituals are a practical manifestation, can survive for a very long time in my post "Third death" about the Cuvash "third death" ritual burials which have not changed for past 4000+ years, which are performed "when two people from the same family suddenly die one after another"...And why archaeologists should study folklore of their archaeological site area...

I know 4000 years is "not that long" (it's actually fu*king long) compared to 12,000 years, but it shows that this survival of a rituals over vast time span is not a freak isolated case...

Are there any other legends and rituals that are this old? Definitely...This is my favourite:

How old are legends about "the hunt for the firebird"? Well they could predate the time when people learned how to make fire...Which is an awful long time...Because before people knew how to make it, fire descended from the sky and had to be found and caught...

Sunday, 31 July 2022

Having one mind with Zeus

"Hestia, you who tend the holy house of the lord Apollo...come now into this house...having one mind with Zeus the all-wise..." from the "Homeric Hymn To Hestia"...

What does this mean?

Maybe the same thing as this: In Hindu mythology, Agni (fire) was believed to have three manifestations: Sun, Lightning, Fire...Which is why he had three heads...I talked about Agni and why he likes riding on a ram in my post "The ram of Agni"...

Just like Slavic Supreme god Triglav (Three headed)..."Because it is a great secret how Svarog (heavenly and earthly fire) is at the same time Perun (thunder) and Svetovid (Sun)"...I talked about Triglav in my posts "Triglav Trojan Trinity Trimurti Agni" and "Lugus or Triglav"...

Interesting right? Cause before people learned how to make fire, fire descended from the sun through lightning...

By the way, modern science seem to confirm that it is indeed Sun (Surya) which gives power to Indra (lightning) which becomes Agni (fire)...I talked about this in my post "Sun thunder fire"...


Or, Sun (Apollo, Helios) through Lightning (Zeus) gives birth to Fire (Hestia)...Hence "one mind", one essence...

Basically, sun gives birth to fire through lightning...Which is why Surya, the sun god, had a daughter, Tapati, whose name literally means "warming", "the hot one", "burning one"...Who was apparently the same as Scythian Tabiti...And Herodotus claimed that Tabiti was the same as Hestia...

And it is because the hearth fire is the same fire burning inside of the sun, that people make sure the hearth fire burns through the winter solstice (Christmas) night, the longest night, "so the sun's fire doesn't get extinguished"...I talked about this in my posts "Badnjak", "La buche de noel" and "Yule log in English tradition"

This fire which descended from the sky, was imagined as a firebird which came down from the sky to earth to nest. It had to be found, caught and brought home...Hence legends about "the hunt for the firebird whose one feather can light up the whole room"...I talked about this in my post "Firebird"...

How old are these legends? Well they most likely predate the moment when "Prometheus stole the fire from the gods" (thunder god to be more precise)...I talked about this in my post "Prometheus"...

Or, before people accidentally discovered fire making while drilling...I talked about this in my post "Fire-drill"...

And how long ago did people become masters of fire, considering that "fire-drill" was still worshiped as deity in Mesopotamia...I talked about this in my post "Holy fire-drill"...

How long ago did people become masters of fire, considering that fire making or fire stealing or fire catching was still the stuff of legends during classical times?

How long ago did people become masters of fire, considering that hearth was the center of the house cult, the house altar in so many Eurasian cultures until recently? 

And considering that making sure that hearth fire never died was so important to Eurasian people until very very recently? 

And considering that "live fire pulled out of wood" (kindled using fire drill) was believed to have magic properties by may Eurasian people until very very very recently? 

Like among the Serbs...I talked about this in my posts "Fire goddess", "Bride and hearth", "Verige", "Live fire"...

I am not saying that people have not been using fire for a very very long time...But I am pretty sure that the making of fire was a pretty recent invention...Neolithic...Mesolithic at the earliest...Which makes legends about the the time when people had to find or steel fire, before they learned how to make it, very very very old indeed... 

BTW, Hestia, (the etymology unknown, believed to be Pre-Greek) has only one cognate, Slavic word jesteja (yesteya) meaning "hearth, paved area around or in front of a hearth used for cooking food" which comes from "jesti" (yestee) meaning to eat...

Which would make Jesteja (Yesteya) the place where food was cooked...Which is exactly what hestia was...Not any fire...Domestic fire...The fire where food was cooked...

I talked about this in my post "Hestia"...

Saturday, 13 November 2021

Having one mind with Zeus

"Hestia, you who tends the holy house of the lord Apollo...come now into this house...having one mind with Zeus the all-wise..." From "Homeric Hymn To Hestia"...

What does this mean?

In Hindu mythology, Agni (fire) was believed to have three manifestations: Sun, Lightning, Fire...Which is why he had three heads...

Just like Slavic Triglav (Three headed)..."Because it is a great secret how Svarog (heavenly and earthly fire) is at the same time Perun (thunder) and Svetovid (Sun)"...

I talked about this in my post "Triglav Trimurti Agni"

Interesting right? Cause before people learned how to make fire, fire descended from the sun through lightning...Basically sun makes fire using its "heavenly fire drill", lightning...

By the way, modern science seem to confirm that it is indeed Sun (Surya) which gives power to Indra (lightning) which becomes Agni (fire)...I talked abut this in my post "Sun thunder fire"...

Basically, sun gives birth to fire...Which is why Surya, the sun god, had a daughter, Tapati, whose name literally means the "warming", "the hot one", "burning one"...

And it is because the hearth fire is the same fire burning inside of the sun, that people make sure the hearth fire burns through the winter solstice (Christmas) night, the longest night, "so the sun's fire doesn't get extinguished"...

And it is because the fire in the hearth is the fire that descended from the sun through lightning, that in Serbia, Yule log, the magic log that has to burn through the longest night of the winter solstice, "so sun's fire would not get extinguished" was traditionally a log from an oak tree, the holly tree of Perun, the thunder god...Pic: Kissing Yule log before placing in on fire...

I talked about this in my posts "Badnjak" and "La buche de Noel"...

This fire which descended from the sun, was imagined as a fire bird which comes down from the sky to earth to nest...

It then had to be found and "caught" and brought home...Which is why we have legends about "the hunt for the firebird whose one feather can light up the whole room"...I talked about this in my post "Firebird"...

How old are these legends? Well they most likely predate the moment when "Prometheus stole the fire from the gods"...I talked about this in my post "Prometheus"...

What does stealing fire from the gods mean? Did Prometheus steal knowledge of making fire from the gods? Or did people accidentally discover fire making while drilling?  I talked about this in my post "Drill"...





And how long ago did people become masters of fire? 

Considering that "fire-drill" was still worshiped as deity in Mesopotamia...I talked about this in my post "Holy fire-drill"...

And considering that fire making or fire stealing or fire catching was still the stuff of legends during classical times?

And considering that hearth was the centre of the house cult, the house altar in so many Eurasian cultures. And considering that making sure that hearth fire never died was so important to Eurasian people until very recently? Like among Serbs...

I talked about this in my posts "Fire goddess", "Bride and the hearth", "Verige

And considering that rekindling new fire was one of the most important annual ceremonies all over Eurasia until recently...Like in Slovenia for instance where all the fires in the village are ritually rekindled once a year from a communal fire...I talked about this in my post "Blessed fire from the fire fungus"...

But I am digressing...

The important thing here is that originally fire descended from the sun to earth through lightning...Which is why Hestia "tends the holy house of the lord Apollo" and "has one mind with Zeus"...

BTW, Hestia, (the etymology unknown, believed to be Pre-Greek) has only one cognate, Slavic word jesteja (yesteya) meaning "hearth, paved area around or in front of a hearth used for cooking food" which comes from "jesti" (yestee) meaning to eat. 

Which would make Jesteja (Yesteya) the place where food was cooked...Which is exactly what hestia was...Not any fire...Domestic fire...The fire where food was cooked...

Which is why in the "Homeric Hymn 29 to Hestia" we read:

"Hestia...without you mortals hold no banquet..."

I talked about this in my post "Jestija"...

Sunday, 1 November 2020

Firebird

Ancient Greek: Ἰατραγόρας (Iatragóras, “a Scythian given name”, literally “fire-searcher?”) 


Legend about the time before people learned how to make fire...In Slavic folklore, the Firebird (Russian: жар-пти́ца, Serbian Žar Ptica...) is a magical glowing bird from a faraway land, which is both a blessing and a bringer of doom to its captor...

The Firebird is described as a large bird with majestic plumage that glows brightly emitting red, orange, and yellow light, like a bonfire that is just past the turbulent flame...

The feathers do not cease glowing if removed, and one feather can light a large room if not concealed. In later iconography, the form of the Firebird is usually that of a smallish fire-colored peacock, complete with a crest on its head and tail feathers with glowing "eyes"...

Firebird is found in fairy tales as an object of a difficult quest. The quest is usually initiated by finding a lost tail feather, at which point the hero sets out to find and capture the live bird, sometimes of his own accord, but usually on the bidding of a father or king...

I believe that the fire bird story is an amazing description of the man's quest for fire before people invented the way to produce it themselves...

Fire bird represents the fire in the sky, the fire in the clouds, the electricity, the lighting that flickers and flashes in the clouds during storms...

Sometimes the fire bird flies down from the clouds to nest. This is a lightning striking the ground. The nesting fire bird is a burning bush of a tree struck by a lightning...

What is left after the fire bird ascends back to heaven are a few or just one of her feathers, magic feathers which can light up the whole room. These are smouldering branches left after the tree or bush has burnt down...




Our hero would then go in search for the fire bird, the next place where lightning would strike the ground and set a tree or a bush on fire. You can imagine how difficult that quest was...

This story is present in every Slavic nation, but similar stories, with almost identical plot, managed to crop up in Germany, Sweden, Belgium and Ireland...

How old are these stories? Well depends when you think fire making was invented...

By the way, the sacred bird of Perun, the Slavic thunder god, was a "fire cockerel"