A very very interesting Old Babylonian cylinder seal, circa 1700-1600BC.
The official description:
"A supplicant (the one who prays to god), wearing long robe, stands before a deity. The deity is standing with one foot resting on a lying animal (?), holding a staff with elaborate top part, which is positioned directly under a crescent and circle with an inscribed cross"...
There are three lines of cuneiform text reading: "Nin-Subur (Ninshubur), wise in all things, have mercy on me"...
That's very interesting. Ninshubur was the sukkal (vizier) of the goddess Inanna/Ishtar...You know, Inanna/Ishtar (the warrior goddess) who likes posing standing on a lion...Like on this Akkadian seal, dated 2350–2150 BC...Ninshubur is the girl on the left admiring the goddess...
Why is Inanna/Ishtar standing on a lion?...Is that important? Well very much so...You know how Inanna/Ishtar was "the morning star"? Everyone thinks that's Venus, as Venus does rise with the sun every morning...
Now standing on a lion, standing between lions, being driven by lion pulled chariots, being depicted as half lion...All mean in Leo, at the beginning of the main mating season of the Eurasian lions...
Guess who rises with the sun, pretending to be "the morning star" in Leo? Sirius...A very special star indeed...True lady of heaven...
BTW, Inanna/Ishtar was not just depicted standing on a lion...She was the lion. A chlorite bowl from the temple of Inanna at Nippur depicts a large feline battling a giant snake and a cuneiform inscription on the bowl reads "Inanna and the Serpent", indicating that the cat is supposed to represent the goddess.
If anyone has a pic of this vessel, please post the link in the comments...
So the lion on the Ishtar gate is probably Ishtar herself...
O by the way, the snake is the symbol of sun's heat. Which grows during summer, reaches its peak in Leo, and diminishes during autumn, symbolised by lion...So lion killing snake means cooling...
It turns out, that, according to references found in various texts, Ninshubur could also have been sukkal (vizier) or wife of Nergal, the god of death...
Now guess who is the god, depicted on the original seal, standing on the right facing Ninshubur, holding a two headed lion scepter and a scimitar, standing under the sun disc? No other than Nergal...See? Same guy...
Nergal was actually commonly depicted as a human headed lion...
Cause he was "the personification of the Destructive, Burning sun". And in Mesopotamia, the sun is hottest and most destructive in Leo...
I talked about Nergal and his linke to Leo in my post "Winged superhuman hero"...
So it seems that this is one of the texts in which Ninshubur is explicitly named as the sukkal (vizier) or wife of Nergal. An intermediary to whom the mortals prayed, hoping that she would put in a god word for them to Nergal...
Oh, did you notice how both of Ninshubur's bosses, Ishtar and Nergal, are in a war business, her being the goddess of war and him being the god of war...And did you notice how they both have offices in Leo...Same building? Convenient...
Oh and you know how the note on the original seal says "The sun god and the worshiper"? Guess who else is standing "between the lions"? The Old Utu/Shamash, the Old Sun of Leo...The destructive sun that dries the rivers and canals...
I talked about this in my posts "Canals" and "Shamash young and old"...
An inscription in Sumerian on the back reads "Inanna and the Serpent.":
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:) Well this is definitely not what I expected. This is a Jiroft culture vessel. How did this end up in Nippur? And I personally think this is a leopard not a lion...Hmmm...Leopard is the symbol of the cool wet part of the year, the opposite of the lion...The mating season of leopards starts at the end of January, beginning of February, the coldest part of the year in Iran. Which would make leopard the antithesis (the enemy) of the snake, which symbolises the sun's heat...But Inanna/Ishtar, when associated with cats, is always associated with the lion, lioness...Very interesting...
DeleteBTW, thank you very much for sending in the link. I really appreciate it
DeleteNisam misljenja da je osmokraka zvezda pored Inane Sirijus.
ReplyDeletePostoji jedna figura na babilonskom zodijaku imena Panther. Zver poput lava-tigra sa pticjim krilima. Na njegovom mestu su sazvezdja Guster i Labud, te bi Panther bio nesto kao krilati guster-zmaj, mozda Grifon.
U Sumeru su ga nazivali Anzuu. Cudno je kako Anzuu stoji nad dva lava, rasirenih pticjih krila isto kao Inanna. Ceo taj mit o dve sestre Inanna i Ereshkigal, gde je jedna ratnica-lavica, podseca jako na egipatski mit o Hathor-krava i Sekhmet-lavica. Tu je i mit o sedam Hathora, a Inanna skida sa sebe sedam predmeta kada silazi u podzemni svet. Ima tu jos dosta paraleli izmedju njih...
Ako se dobra krava-Hathor toplo letnje sunce, pretvara u ljutu lavicu i pali pustinjom (aspekt vrelog sunca) da li to znaci da se Inanna pretvara u zver Anzuu-Lav-jesen?
Posmatrajuci glinenu plocicu na kojoj su Enki, Shamash i Inanna, prepoznao sam Enkija kao Vodoliju, tu je bio Orao, Strelac i jedino sazvezdje koje bi odgovaralo Inanni bio je Cygnus-Labud. Cudno, iza njega bilo je sazvezdje Strela, Inannino oruzje.
Ali zasto bi Labud stajao nad lavovima, i koja je to osmokraka zvezda pored Inanne?
Venera i ostale planete su mnogo nize, Sirijus na drugom delu neba.
Medjutim, Labud je letnje sazvezdje, ako on vlada nad lavovima-jesen, da li to znaci vladavinu leta?
Sumerani, Egipcani sazvezdje Labud nisu nazivali tim imenom. Egipatski zodijak cak i nema neki evidentan marker na tom delu neba.
Brat blizanac Inanne je Utu-Shamash, bog Sunca. U Grckom mitu brat blizanac strelkinje Artemide je Apolon. Apolonove kocije vukli su labudovi, tu je sazvezdje Lira,Guster,Strela,Zmaj,Orao,Delfin-prorociste Delfi, ceo mit o Apolonu je na jednom delu neba oko sazvezdja Labud. To ne moze biti koincidencija.
Ne mogu da ne ukljucim u pricu Slovenske i Nordijske mitove.
Slovensko sveto drvo je hrast, dok je nordijsko Yggdrasil.
Grcki junak Kadmo poput slovenskih bogova groma ubija zmaja i kopljem ga prikuje na sveto drvo-Hrast. Zmaj-Draco na svetom drvetu?
Na vrhu drveta nalazi se orao-Vedrfolnir, dok je u korenju zmaj-Nidhogg. U slovenskoj mitologiji to su Perun i Veles. Ovi mitovi podsecaju na sumerski ep o Etani.
Zanimljivo je da akteri ove price, mita, epa o Etani, i orao i zmija polazu jaja.
Sto se tice imena Yggdrasil, objasnjena su kako to drvo znaci Odinova vesala, Odinov konj...
Ne verujem u to.
Sam mit da u krosnji zivi orao, a u korenju zmija-zmaj simbolizuje nesto drugo.
Yggdrasil
Ygg-egg-jaje, drasil-draco-zmaj. Yggdrasil bi bilo zmajevo jaje.
Kako je Draco sazvezdje blizu polarne zvezde, da li Polarna zvezda predstavlja to jaje?
Da li ime zvezde Vega-Wega koja je oko 12000 p.n.e bila Polarna zvezda, ima neke veze sa jajetom V+egga?
Na staroj zastavi Kine iza glave zmaja stoji kugla, zvezda. To moze biti samo Polarna zvezda Vega. Na kamenu Gobekli Tepea je ptica-orao-labud koji na krilu nosi kuglu.
Na Uskrsnjem ostrvu (gde su pomno pratili zvezdu Vegu) isti motiv predstavlja Tangata manu, dok je kod Sumerana tu covek-ptica Apkallu koji sa drveta zivota skida sisarku.
Smatram da je osmokraka zvezda pored Inanne-Labuda, ustvari zvezda Vega-obrusavajuci orao.
Heryshaf
Procitaj ovaj moj thread na twitteru https://twitter.com/serbiaireland/status/1454113310308188162
DeleteIzgleda da sam ishitreno doneo pogresan zakljucak.
ReplyDeleteGreska je bila ta sto sam Enkija povezao sa vodolijom. Enki je po svemu sudeci bio “ribar” iz Eridua.
Zaboravio sam boginju Anuket, zvezdu Eridua, sazvedje Eridanus. Eridanus je u mnogim kulturama bio sinonim za svetu reku. Postoji veza sa vodolijom, ali ne direktna.
Dalje je ocito da Ishtarina osmokraka zvezda nije Vega iz sazvezdja Lira.
Ishtar-Inanna stoji na lavu, ima znak omege-vage u kosi, telo device, jer je simbioza svih tih sazvezdja. Ona je izgleda jednostavno samo vremenski marker odredjenog godisnjeg doba. Osmokraka zvezda je tako Venera, jer Sirijus mi se nikako ne uklapa u koncept price.
Heryshaf
Eeeee kad je Sirisus izlazio ujutru sa suncem u 3. milenijumu pne?
DeleteNisam siguran, mozda 22.juna u doba kornjace-raka.
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Delete16.jul, zar to nije u znaku raka?
ReplyDelete:) When are you going to stop looking at stars...
ReplyDeleteJul/Aug (second half of Jul, first half of Aug) = Lion mating
Apr/May (second half of Apr, first half of May) = Bull calving
Oct/Nov (second half of Oct, first half of Nov) = Goat mating
This is what I am talking about...
Inana-Ereshkigal stoji na lavu i u ruci drzi uzde zakacene za njegovu njusku.
ReplyDeleteCini se kao da kroti lava.
"да би хвалио Орионовог пса, песник га је
називао кротитељ лавова”(Lucian 1911, вол. 6).
Ako se Inanna-Hathor-krava pretvarala u strasnu lavicu, kako je Hathor sazvezdje Veliki pas (prikazana tako u Denderi), da li je ujedno Veliki pas nekada bio Lav?
Zasto su Grci opisivali Orion sa toljagom i lavljom kozom u ruci?
Orion koji ima slicnosti sa Gilgameshom koji se bori sa Humbabom-lavom-tigrom.
Pecat bozanstva Pashupati-a, kao i Cernunnosa, za koje se smatra da mogu predstavljati sazvezdje Orion, na jednoj strani je bik, na drugoj lav.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Narmer_Palette_verso.jpg/800px-Narmer_Palette_verso.jpg
Iznad prikaza palete kralja Narmera poput Oriona; kako toljagom udara coveka u glavu, stoji orao koji u kandzi nosi uzde zakacene za nos neke statue coveka, koje podseca na sfingu. Prikaz je skoro identican krilatoj Inanni.
Tu su opet bik i lavovi.
Da li si ikada pronasao vezu izmedju sazvezdja Velikog psa i lava?
In your post about Inanna’s association with Sirius, and it becoming ‘visible again after it disappears from the night sky in Apr/May, Taurus’, could this also be an early root of the myth of Europa getting kidnapped by the bull, if we can relate Europa to Astarte/Ishtar/Inanna? Cheers :)
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