tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post8111139497162758808..comments2024-03-28T06:30:58.474-07:00Comments on Old European culture: Apples and berriesoldeuropeanculturehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07880222013739472782noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-5695625997873253562022-01-25T16:36:41.045-08:002022-01-25T16:36:41.045-08:00In Ukrainian, we call them "млинці" (mly...In Ukrainian, we call them "млинці" (mlyntsi) == same food what Russians call "блины" (bliny). And "млин" (mlyn) is Ukrainian for mill, "молотити" (molotyty) == to produce flour through grinding.рівноденникhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00788988203395264804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-78162457830840026952020-06-14T15:27:56.793-07:002020-06-14T15:27:56.793-07:00Wow, thanks a lot. This is really interesting. I w...Wow, thanks a lot. This is really interesting. I was also researching about the unknown origin of "apple" for my school project. This really delighted me. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-43484928924514860122017-07-08T09:32:31.402-07:002017-07-08T09:32:31.402-07:00Ovo je moja analiza...Hvala za ovu rec za medveda....Ovo je moja analiza...Hvala za ovu rec za medveda. Nisam za nju znao.oldeuropeanculturehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07880222013739472782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-4833777553873461572017-07-07T15:17:47.378-07:002017-07-07T15:17:47.378-07:00Odlicno...da li je sve ovo kompletno vas rezon,ili...Odlicno...da li je sve ovo kompletno vas rezon,ili je ranije neko dao ideju u vezi jabuka,I ako jeste,ako bi mogli da me uputite na njega ili njih,voleo bih malo vise da se upustim u ovu temu.Unapred hvala! Negde ranije sam cuo da za medveda u Bosni koriste rec bira,mozda ste znali za to,a moze mozda da vam koristi za ovu temu ili neke u buducnosti.Rasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02483564632014436076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-17569818251940440082016-04-08T11:49:43.095-07:002016-04-08T11:49:43.095-07:00Crab apples, wild apples, are native to Europe.
...Crab apples, wild apples, are native to Europe. <br /><br />But that is not the point. If you have read and actually understood the article, you would have seen that the point was that "apple" was once the common name for all fruit that falls off the trees....oldeuropeanculturehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07880222013739472782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-59251875561778068912016-04-08T10:57:37.176-07:002016-04-08T10:57:37.176-07:00I wish you would have spent as much time and verbi...I wish you would have spent as much time and verbiage on the actual origin of apple as it is said in Kazakhstan, particularly in Almaty and vicinity where the original apple tree stood. Along the Silk Road and then beyond to the west, somehow, 'alma' transitioned into Greek, Latin, Germanic, Anglo-Saxon. Katherine Sutalohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10611478767765201462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-30730454598310239642015-12-25T10:28:37.605-08:002015-12-25T10:28:37.605-08:00I remember I read once an article about the origin...I remember I read once an article about the origin of Russian "blinis" (блины). Well, it was about the possible transposition of *ml - *bl. So, it's probable that in the Proto-Slavic, it was not 'blin' but 'mlin', that had taken its origin from *melti, *meljǫ, wherefrom we got among others Old Slavonic мелѭ, млѣти, Ukr. мелю́, моло́ти, Bielor. моло́ць, Bolg. ме́ля, Serbo-Chroat. ме̏ље̑м, мле̏ти, Sloven. mlẹ́ti, méljem, Czech. melu, mlíti, Slovak. mliеť, Polish. mleć, mielę, Upper Lusit. mjelu, mlěć, Low Lusit. mjelom, mlaś. The Proto-Slavic *meljǫ, *melti is a cognate of the Lithuan. malù, maliaũ, málti, Latv. mal̨u (malu), mal̃t, Lith. malū̃nas «Mill», Old Prussian malunis — "Mill", Lith. mìltai pl., Old Prussian meltan «flour», Latin molō, -еrе «to mill», Goth., Old German mаlаn «to mill», Old Irish melim – "to mill", Arm. mаlеm «I grind», Tochar. А malyw, В mely «trample, press», Greek μύλλω «I crush, I pound», Alb. miell «flour». Schochenmaierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03452344844824426889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-78774895880532676852015-12-21T13:16:05.415-08:002015-12-21T13:16:05.415-08:00Yes, crab apples were in the Americas pre-Columbus...Yes, crab apples were in the Americas pre-Columbus. <br /><br />apa (Mbuti) fire<br />ape (Ainu) fire<br />api (Malay) fire<br /><br />I think both apple(red skin peeled/fell/flay) and maple(red leaf pelt/fell) "aflame" in Autumn, were named from fire + peel/pelt (African:bolo). But that's just a guess, and would include fall as synonymous with peel.DDedenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10033851770461086341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-59913041284817083132015-12-19T00:51:20.459-08:002015-12-19T00:51:20.459-08:00Crab apples, wild apples, are native to Europe.Crab apples, wild apples, are native to Europe.oldeuropeanculturehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07880222013739472782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-31486343193269349772015-12-18T14:36:07.315-08:002015-12-18T14:36:07.315-08:00Apples are from Khazakstan, where they grow wild a...Apples are from Khazakstan, where they grow wild and domestic.<br />Beri in Malay means give, buah means fruit, buang means throw/fall, buat means make/build/birth. http://www.amazon.com/Apples-Are-Kazakhstan-Land-Disappeared/dp/0977743381DDedenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10033851770461086341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-16212990019981149942015-11-17T12:10:27.057-08:002015-11-17T12:10:27.057-08:00In czech "baby-language" we say "ha...In czech "baby-language" we say "hapat" = to fall (hapalo = it fell). I wonder if it has something in common with your thinking :) Very interesting analysis!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748671433638260694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-27691242941531726862015-11-16T23:50:03.494-08:002015-11-16T23:50:03.494-08:00Very convincing analysis. The deeper insight, whi...Very convincing analysis. The deeper insight, which you have repeatedly hinted at by example, that Slavic languages may be more basal or conservative relative to PIE roots (perhaps due to closer proximity to a PIE homeland) than Western Indo-European languages which are more derived, is also an interesting one.andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172964121659914379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-74606303193619533172015-11-16T20:38:45.841-08:002015-11-16T20:38:45.841-08:00Fascinating analysis. Hvala puno!Fascinating analysis. Hvala puno!tamtamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06957307399056934791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-40045147229045837062015-11-15T10:13:34.015-08:002015-11-15T10:13:34.015-08:00somewhere---i wish i could recall where---i read a...somewhere---i wish i could recall where---i read an etymology for the english word 'apple' that gave its immediate forbearer word as 'apfel', which is basically, off-fall, i.e. "falls off" (presumably its tree). makes perfect sense! our ancestors tended to characterize useful plants etc in their environment by their most salient features...nofixedstarshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15514617120008201743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-69690798362524818432015-11-15T04:46:37.649-08:002015-11-15T04:46:37.649-08:00There is an Irish legend about the ancient giant w...There is an Irish legend about the ancient giant which "controlled the sun". This giant held in his hand a branch of oak and branch of hazel and a branch of apple (all the fruits). Remember my post about the garden of eden? The time of the titans, the golden age, when food literally fell from trees...oldeuropeanculturehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07880222013739472782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-49286992814407434252015-11-15T03:28:17.563-08:002015-11-15T03:28:17.563-08:00Avalon in the Arthurian legend is also known as th...Avalon in the Arthurian legend is also known as the "Isle of Apples". <br />Here in France, there are several place names with Avalon, also sometimes associated with the Arthurian Legend, Considered to be Gaulish in origin, and meaning "the place of apples", or the apple orchard [toponyme sans doute d'origine gauloise avec le sens de pommeraie (gaulois avallo = pomme)]<br />Avalon or D'Avalon is also a family name in France.<br />Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01500375808912187893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-92014383271215022282015-11-15T01:32:37.871-08:002015-11-15T01:32:37.871-08:00Very interesting - thank you!Very interesting - thank you!Justbodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12322013368792583388noreply@blogger.com