tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post6648814759271126309..comments2024-03-28T06:30:58.474-07:00Comments on Old European culture: Rebirtholdeuropeanculturehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07880222013739472782noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-30269385779615131742017-10-02T00:15:18.912-07:002017-10-02T00:15:18.912-07:00The connection between sun, year cicle, moving whe...The connection between sun, year cicle, moving wheel, deth and rebirth is familiar for all the indo-european cultures. In Ukrainian folk tradition there is a Koliada festival, which is celebrated before orthodox Christmas on 25 of December, and now is incorporated into chritsmas celebrations. "Kolo" in Ukrainian is a circle. And "kolovo" is a ritual food, which is used in exequies. Also near the volk traditions connected with fertility and frutful ness for the next year during Christmas hollydays there are a number of traditions of remembering and propitiating of anchestors (ded relatives, parents). One of them is invating of forfathers to join the festival meal. The ded are supposed to eat special food the same like "kolovo" but called "kutia".sergeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01378742688363491089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-4341566580389422362017-09-27T14:09:21.156-07:002017-09-27T14:09:21.156-07:00The entire book is interesting. It is at https://...The entire book is interesting. It is at https://archive.org/details/dawnofastronomys00lockuoft, if you can't get hold of a physical copy. I recommend it - very worthwhile, in addition to your own work.<br /><br />It would probably have been most natural for our ancestors to have taken the first and last light conditions for their observation points, which would have been less accurate then the method I used of taking the sun at half-rise/set. But as I said, it is only an approximation, because the tilt of the earth with respect to the sun changes a little bit each moment, due to its revolution about the sun. And the sun's position is offset a bit due to the refraction of its rays in the sunrise and sunset atmosphere.<br /><br />Also be aware that Lockyer was unaware of that technique being used (if I remember correctly), nor has anyone else heard of its use, to my knowledge. If you come across any references, now that you know what you are looking for, it would be quite a find.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07821250042408239451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-70378311162505773602017-09-27T11:17:08.796-07:002017-09-27T11:17:08.796-07:00O I misunderstood you. I will have a look at this,...O I misunderstood you. I will have a look at this, it is quite interesting.oldeuropeanculturehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07880222013739472782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-47585987066070849742017-09-27T11:07:23.970-07:002017-09-27T11:07:23.970-07:00You are incorrect. Lockyer's technique is an a...You are incorrect. Lockyer's technique is an approximation, but it is a close approximation, assuming the observation point is not surrounded by higher hills.<br /><br />Say that on a certain day the sun rises 3° North of East. That night, due to the geometry and trigonometry involved, it will set very close to 3° North of West. The two sticks marking those points (and NOT the gnomon) will define a line that is very close to East/West.<br /><br />Using a planetarium program, I have verified this for a couple of days. The line was within about 0.3° of East/West. If you need to see more detail, let me know.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07821250042408239451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-51342500854143835482017-09-26T23:48:19.033-07:002017-09-26T23:48:19.033-07:00Hi David. The thing is that this technique would o...Hi David. The thing is that this technique would only tell us where sun rises and sets, not true east and west. There is a huge difference between the two. The only way to relatively precisely determine east is to determine sunrise points for solstices and find the middle. oldeuropeanculturehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07880222013739472782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8743102750721348863.post-22491736365570958862017-09-26T16:06:11.496-07:002017-09-26T16:06:11.496-07:00If, on the bottom picture, the rock was facing Eas...If, on the bottom picture, the rock was facing East or West, and a stick was placed in front of it at the appropriate distance, the middle circle set being in shadow would indicate the equinoxes, and the outer ones would be the solstices. The circles themselves could be a graduation to tell the days more closely.<br /><br />Regarding true East, in 'The Dawn of Astronomy' J. Norman Lockyer proposed a relatively simple approximation technique that is very easy to do with your gnomon pole and threshing floor. As long as the threshing floor was in a 'high place,' unobstructed on the East and West, and the surrounding area was relatively flat, East/West can be very closely approximated by placing a stick in line with the morning sunrise, and another with the evening sunset. Those two sticks, by themselves, will indicate the East/West orientation. This can be done on any day of the year. It isn't a 100% technique, but will be close.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07821250042408239451noreply@blogger.com